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A true Scottish breed of Thief Pouter

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The origin of the Horseman Thief Pouter is a mystery but many believe the breed was originally created as a cross between a Continental type Pouter and the now extinct breed known as the Horseman. The ancient Horseman is said to have looked somewhere between a Carrier and a Dragoon. It was a swift flying breed. The original cross was called the "Powting Horseman" which is how the name "Horseman Pouter" began. It is very possible that the birds came through Spain to Scotland in the 17th or 18th Century. But it is also possible that the breed was created in Scotland by crossing the Norwich Cropper with the Racing Pigeon. The earliest reference that can be found is from Thomas Moore when he refers to the breed in 1735 when he says, “The Norwich Cropper appears to be a derivative of the Powting Horseman.” The actual word Horseman is the Scottish word for Highway Robber and the birds were originally used to catch food (in the form of other pigeons) for the table. 

Countless Fanciers in Scotland today fly Horseman Pouters in competition, with the aim of capturing other Flyers' birds. This has been common practice in the cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh for many years. The sport has it's origins in Spain and different versions with, essentially, the same basic principles being practiced in cities around the world. The sport consists of the the cock or hen enticing by a variety of strategies, a rival bird back to its home loft. Upon entering the loft, it is captured and becomes the property of the capturer. Seduction is the most common method. A hen in a particularly attractive condition seduces another person's amorous cock back to her loft or to his, depending on which one wins. 

A quote from Jimmy Dolier's book, "Horseman Pouters," on page 80 says the Horseman is made up of one part Racing Homer with three parts Pouter. Horseman should not only have the abilities to seduce other Pigeons and bring them back to their home loft without being lured away them selves, but be strong fliers and have a great Homing instinct.

The breed has an upright stance, upright and round crop and relatively long legs. They are not as extreme as some of the Pouter breeds i.e. Norwich and Brunners, which gives them the streamlined look of the flying breed that they are. The main focus in breeding is put on drive, intent, and ability to seduce and thieve other pigeons, which results in a great temperament in the loft, show pen and in flying and clapping around outside in the yard. The Pouter breeds in general are very promiscuous birds and the Horseman Pouter is even more so. They have been selected for flying stamina, brains and the urge to mate, which makes them real characters in the loft, show pen and outside. There's never a dull moment with a Horseman around.

Today working and exhibition birds are probably Scotland’s national breed, with their popularity constantly growing with entries of 200-300 Horseman at some of the larger shows. 

The standard calls for self colored and Grizzles for exhibition, the Pied pattern is a fault. I try and breed all of my Horseman to the standard and they must have a working temperament. The Horseman is truly a great breed of pigeon with an outstanding personality that results from the selective breeding of these working abilities. Even if you have no desire to work this breed, they make fabulous pets and show birds because of this built in temperament.

The Horseman has been introduced into North America a few years back and is growing in popularity with some being exhibited at all the major shows. 

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These are photos of the champion Horseman at the 09 Nationals in Lancaster. He is a Blue Grizzle #925-08 owned and bred by Joe Powers. His sire is proudly part of Circus Lofts' breeding stock.

There were 44 Horseman entered, making it the largest Horseman show to date in North America.

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#67-05 is the sire of the 2009 National champion at Lancaster (pictured above), I love the cock's overall type. He is one of Circus Lofts' foundation birds.

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#711-06 was reserve National champion at Lancaster. Owned by Circus Lofts

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 #723-06 is a Khaki Bar hen. She has the tightest feathers I have ever seen on a Horseman. They feel like a good Racer.

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Cream Bar #748 is a late hatch 2009 hen I have high hopes for. Daughter of the Khaki Bar to the left.

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#954-08 Silver Bar cock

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#54-05 Blue Bar Grizzle hen

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Please look at the following videos from a big show in Scotland. These birds are how I aspire to breed in my Horseman in both type and personality. They were both bred by Pat Moran, one of the top breeders in the world.

Black cock

Brown Bar hen

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Lavender #1335

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Blonde hen #2168

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This is the Blonde hen and the Lavender cock pictured above

   

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#935 - 08 Grizzle. His sire was reserve National champion at Lancaster. Pedigree

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09 Grizzle #714

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5 month old 09 Grizzle hen

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#438 - Spread Ash Red

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#111 - Blue Bar

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#763 - Khaki Grizzle hen. 

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09 Grizzle #708

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Dark Grizzle #615

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08 Bronze Grizzle #1276

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09 Bronze Grizzle #730

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#3347 09 Dun Grizzle

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#3358 an 09 Tort Classical Grizzle

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#616 - Very young Khaki Bar hen, daughter of the NPA Lancaster National Champion

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#736 - Very young Chocolate hen

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In some shows in the UK there are 200-300 Horseman entered. This Brown Bar hen, bred and owned by Pat Moran did well in such a show. She won Champion Horseman and then Champion Pouter and kept going to take Best bird of the whole show over all other Pigeon breeds.

 

The following photos were taken by Graeme Boyd at Blackpool in the UK

Blue bar of Rixon & Harrison (BOB)

Blue Cheq of Rixon & Harrison

Black of Scott Morrison

 
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The UK Standard

Origin:

Their history can be traced back with some degree of certainly to at least the 17th Century, possibly earlier. At one time a 'working thief pigeon' in and around areas of Old London. For the past 80 - 100 years, their stronghold has been based in and around the Glasgow region. Now considered by many to be a true Scottish breed. Believed to be an ancestor of the English Pouter.

Overall Impression:

Cheery and lively, responsive to chat.

Dimensions

Height 9" - 1 0" Length 1 2" - 1 3", tip of beak to end of tail.

Head: Ova and neat, beak resting on crop.

Eye: Red/orange/yellow.

Beak: Dark in Selfs. Fleshy in Dilutes and Whites accepted. Medium Wattle.

Neck: Crop rounded, well sprung from waist and to be in relation to body.

Body: Strong, firm.

Wings: Tight to body, slightly parted approximately %" from end to tai

Feathers: Strong and hard in good flying condition.

Legs: Strong appearance, free of feathers, proportionate to body.

Colours:

All colours accepted, including all Grizzles and Self-White.

Faults:

Too tall and too upright.

Too low and too long.

Bull eyes. Marked or odd eyes. Stained in solids.

Small Wattle, Long Beak. Small Crop, overblown.

Distorted and crop-bound.

Skinny, Prominent keel. Too heavy and wide. Too long, crossed flights.

Droopy wings. Dirty, dull and broken.

Points:

Height/Length: 10

Head/Eye: 5

Beak: 5

Crop/Neck: 20

Body: 10

Wings: 10

Feathers: 5

Legs: 5

Colour: 20

Nature: 10

Total: 100

 

The NPA Standard from the U.S.

Horseman Thief Pouter Standard

ORIGIN:

The history of the Horseman Thief Pouter can be traced back with some degree of certainty to the 17th century, possibly earlier. At one time a ‘working thief pigeon’ in and around areas of London. For the past 100 + years, their stronghold has been based in and around Glasgow, Scotland. They are now considered to be a Scottish breed by fanciers around the world. They were first imported into North America in 2004.

OVERALL IMPRESSION:

An alert and lively breed, responsive to human chat as well as to other birds in the loft or judging pens. One could call a good working Horseman ‘pushy’ for the way they keep cooing, bowing and working at other birds or people.

DESCRIPTION:

HEIGHT: From the high spot of the skull to ball of foot the ideal is 10 inches. The actual height range will vary from 9 inches to 11 inches. Taller than 12 inches is a serious fault even if the bird is proportionate in over all size. Shorter than nine inches is a serious fault.

LENGTH/STATION: Not to be more than 12 to 13 inches long from the tip of beak to the end of tail. The Horseman can be broken down into three parts. First part being the head to the waist, which is at the top of the wing butts/shoulder where the globe hits the body. Second part being from the waist down to the vent area where the back of the thighs join the lower body. Lastly from this vent area to the tip of the tail. In a well balanced bird the first part will be slightly more than either parts two or three, which should be roughly the same length. When stationing the eyes should be roughly perpendicular to the end of the toe nails. Eyes over any part of the toes or foot mean they are too erect.

HEAD: Oval and neat with a slight forehead rising from the wattle in a flowing line.

EYES & CERES: Eyes to be bright and vibrant with a noticeable shine. All varieties to have the same red/orange colored eyes with the exception of pure white birds [absolutely no color including on the beak] can have either orange or bull eyes. Brown pattern birds have a ‘false pearl’ eye and shall not be cut points based on their eye color alone. The eye ceres shall be small, smooth and fine in texture.

BEAK & WATTLE: Medium wattle size, to be smooth and without coarseness. Medium beak length with color to match feather color (Black, Horn, Fleshy).

NECK, CROP /GLOBE: Length of neck/crop/globe starting at the top of the shoulders to be in proportion with the birds over all size. The crop/globe shall be well sprung from the waist and be well balanced with the rest of the bird. There should be enough back globe for an over all round crop/globe. The crop/globe must be under complete control at all times, neither too small nor too large, with the beak resting on the crop/globe. Birds close to the ideal height will often times have a less distinct break at the waist. While this is a fault it is minor in comparison to a bird that is considerably taller even with a good break at the waist.

BODY: Body to be wedge shaped, smooth and hard in the hand, but not overly large or wide. Back to be full but not round [AKA roach backed] to avoid side boarding with the cover feathers over the back. Keel to be straight and flow smoothly from the waist to the hip/leg joint, without extending much past the edge of the wings on a side view, carrying through in a smooth flowing line to the vent area. See side view for proper look. Brunner Pouter size and shape and type are a serious fault for being too small and thin. Norwich Cropper body size and type is a serious fault. The Horseman must be handled by the judge in order to feel the shape and condition of the body and keel.

WINGS: Held tight to the body with the flights resting on the tail and ending ½ to ¾ inch from the end of the tail. See side view drawing for better understanding. Flight tips should not cross over each other.

TAIL: Flows smoothly from the body and is held tightly together roughly one and a half feathers wide.

FEATHER: Hard and tight feathering, in good flying condition. Hock, thigh and vent feathering can be slightly looser than the body feathering.

LEGS: Strong, straight and free of feathers below the hocks; set wide on the body. See front view for better understanding. Thighs are visible with no noticeable hinge at the body junction. Length must be balanced with the over all bird. Legs that are too long or too short for the birds size are faults.

COLORS: All known colors (normal and rare) are recognized, including Self White. Any white markings, flights or pied markings are a fault.

NATURE: Alert and lively while performing constantly in the judging pen. They must be responsive to the judge, as well as to other birds when being judged.

FAULTS:

MINOR:

Too tall in height; Too upright [perpendicular]; Stained beak; Very small wattle; Small crop/globe that does not balance with the birds size; Body too thin (Brunner body); Large or flat head; Very narrow leg set; No waist (break of globe at waist); Worn feathers (sign of ‘working’ and to be a slight deduction and not a serious fault); Colored or stained beak or a few scattered colored feathers on Orange Eyed Whites.

MAJOR:

Too low slung in station; Too long in length; Too short in height; Long length of beak; Very coarse wattle; Out of control globe; Over blowing or too large of a globe [should not be Norwich Cropper globe size]; Too short of neck/crop/globe; Pear shaped globe; No back globe; Too thick in body; Prominent or deep keel; Roached or severe ‘V’ shaped backed; Long or crossed flights; Drooping wings and flights; Side boarding; Wild, nervous or not performing; Length of leg too long or short for proper proportion/balance; Norwich Cropper size or type; Too erect in station; Feathered feet; Pigmy legs [AKA cow hocked]; Hinged legs at the body [obvious signs of hip joint]; White or pied markings or flights; Dirty, broken or missing feathers [other than feathers worn from ‘working’ as a thief Pouter should]; Body mites or feather lice. 

DISQUALIFICATIONS:

Any sign of sickness; Obvious sign of crossbreeding; Crooked toes; Colored or stained beak on Bull Eyed (Recessive) White [colored beak means they are some pied combination and not recessive white]. 

POINTS:

Height/Length 10

Head/Eye 5

Beak/Wattle 5

Neck/Crop/Globe 20

Body 10

Wings/Tail 10

Feathers 5

Legs 5

Color 20

Nature 10

TOTAL: 100

Band/Ring size: 8

 

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